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Sawasdee Hartmut,

I also have interest in the Negritos of Trang-Satun. Is that the Mani?
I've kept my distance to respect their privacy.

Thanks to my scornful, capitalistic, war-mongering ways, I have a widely
beloved friend who devotes her life to Thailand's poor and downtrodden who
may be your visitor. Strangely, another friend is the founder of the Thai
SPCA, a truly great heart or he wouldn't be my friend. He is also a
champion of the poor.

I will see to it that your email and string gets to the proper eyes, less
emails and signatures to protect your candor, privacy and confidentiality.

What's your read on Negritos worldwide. I'm sure a genetic survey shows a
familial relationship. Show how come these folks are found from here to the
Andes to Africa and back to here? Raises some interesting questions.

I'm an outspoken advocate of Burma sanctions. It hurts me a lot
professionally, politically and personally. I've been inside on the lam,
but never paid the visa fee. Can I call you a fucked-up idiotic uncaring
devil of a capitalist shithead for promoting travel to Burma? I've covered
the Karen from the inside out, wrote and photographed "The Fall of
Manarplaw" for Asiaweek after I was the last man in town before the Burmese
troops took the Karen HQ. Also me with Bo Mya and some other stuff. I've
got to admit it was a bit spooky shooting slides and videos of logging
dumps, forest sawmills and furniture factories, and Burmese Army patrols
everywhere - when nobody even knew I was inside Burma without a trace.

Since this is a newsgroup posting, I will only send attachments to
individual emails. If any of you want to see my Manarplaw, Bo Mya or Battle
of Saab Moi shots, just send me an email request.

In closing, please check out my baby pictures

http://seacanoe.com/cgi-local/galleries/index.cgi?gallery=thailand-eagle+tem
pl=vert+lang=eng


See you on the water,

Ling Yai


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hartmut Heller" <fdn@...>
To: <fpcn-internal@yahoogroups.com>; <mani-negritos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: [mani-negritos] The Human Endangered Species Act


> Nat John, Matthew,
> as far as I know the Akha peoples are some half
> Million individuals, in 4 different Nation states and
> therefore far from being endangered. To my knowledge
> they also came from somewhere else to their
> territories the inhabit today.
> I am concerned with theprobably most endangered
> peoples on the Thai territory, the Man are the last
> authochtonous peoples there, decimated from several
> thousand some 150 years ago to now less than 150
> people.
> The belong to the extremely endangered Negrito race,
> and to the also extremely endangered last
> hunter-gatherer societies.
> The king of Thailand is well aware of this situation,
> his one daughter visited the Mani a few years ago.
> Since them the situation worsened drastically for the
> Mani due to continuing land-robbing, killing of
> animals for hunting by goverment officials, forced
> intermarriages with Thai, the desatrous involvement of
> the SIL missionaries etc.
> No organisation, no agency seems to respect the
> traditional life of the Mani, except FPCN.
> Hope you don´t forget this in your trials to help the
> Akha
> hartmut
>
>
> --- Nat John Duenas <nduenas@...> schrieb: >
> Matthew,
> > Thailand is still a monarchy and the best way to
> > solve the problem of the
> > Akha people is to get this matter to the attention
> > of the King and the
> > University through the Governor. I used to have a
> > classmate in Masters of
> > Architecture who is very powerful and the son of the
> > former Governor of a
> > province. He used to tell me the how powerful the
> > position of a Governor and
> > the ultimate rule of the King. So maybe another
> > "King and I" version will
> > awaken the royal kingdom to the significance of the
> > Akha as descendants of
> > the ancestors of the King.
> > I have review the history of Thailand and find out
> > the reason why they have
> > looked down at the Akha.
> > The other alternative is to rally the global
> > consciousness of the Humane
> > Society who had provided protection to the
> > Endangered Animal Species and has
> > forgotten to do the same to the Human Species.
> > Along this line of reasoning that I feel we can
> > attract the attention of the
> > people who may have the concern and the heart for
> > the Endangered Human
> > Species.
> > Nat
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Matthew McDaniel
> > To: fpcn-internal@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [fpcn-internal] The Human Endangered
> > Species Act
> >
> >
> > Nat:
> > Not trying to rain on your parade.
> >
> > I am just saying that I think from the very get go
> > that obstacles in the
> > field should be tackled as a reality check.
> >
> > For instance, just as an example, the Thai
> > Government is taking all the
> > land it can from the Akha people.
> >
> > How would your proposal suggest to stop this.
> >
> > As well, not all activists are wankers.
> > Some really get out and focus on the real stuff.
> >
> > I do not agree with sanctions on Burma but many
> > people have effectively
> > worked against many companies to pull out of the
> > country, unlike the Tibetan
> > issue where nothing seems to happen at all.
> >
> > Course now Burma is totally isolated and the
> > people get nothing, playing
> > them right into the hands of china.
> >
> > Can't steer a country that isn't moving and
> > sanctions are bad policy.
> >
> > But back to the question on Akha. How does one
> > stop the Thai government?
> >
> > These are the lack of form situations that are the
> > biggest challenge, and
> > I see lots of new ideas here all the time, but the
> > old problems are not
> > getting fixed.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nat John Duenas wrote:
> >
> > Matthew, Changes in this world is achieved by
> > 'doers' like you and
> > most of us who knows our individual capabilities
> > stand on our word and deeds
> > and get things done in our own small ways. The
> > difference with big changes
> > is you need allies and sympathizers to a common
> > cause. The Activists and the
> > Doers needs the Sympathizers to achieve the common
> > cause for global benefit.
> > The 'keyboard wankers' are the new breed of 'pencil
> > pusher's and
> > 'journalists' who communicates to the mass
> > 'sympathizers what the 'witch
> > doctor' had discovered as the 'spiritual redemption'
> > of the 'lost souls'.
> > So we drag our PhD to the quagmire of the swamps and
> > the malaria infested
> > rain forest to 'save the lost souls', or to
> > catalogue the culture of an
> > 'endangered human species' to show the 'sympathizers
> > that we need to extend
> > understanding, love and assistance. You are not
> > alone in this disaster, you
> > need to tell the whole world of 'sympathizers with
> > the help of the 'activist
> > and the keyboard wankers or the media' of what need
> > to be done by telling
> > them the truth, the realities of the 'other old
> > world' which is being
> > threatened to extinction by the advancement of an
> > intrusive culture. We
> > need everyone's help from the legislators, the
> > philanthropist, the
> > businessmen, the United Nations and the whole
> > activist group of
> > Environmentalist to recognize that there is a more
> > important Endangered
> > Species we forgot - the Human Species of tribal and
> > indigenous peoples who
> > are the true friends of the environment and our only
> > mind awakening to the
> > survival of this planet Earth. We want to see a
> > "Human Endangered Species
> > Act" to be enacted as a Universal Law to protect the
> > cultural heritage of
> > the indigenous peoples of this planet. We want all
> > governments to have this
> > Universal Law and to set aside government lands
> > dedicated to insure their
> > survival and existence in their natural habitat.
> > This is the Primary and
> > Ultimate Objective of FreeLands. How do we attain
> > this as a group and in a
> > cooperative effort is something we have to openly
> > discuss and get the
> > sympathy of the activist, the journalist, and the
> > sympathizer.NatJohn
>
> >
>
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